Commento di Pietro Campoli : meglio tardi che mai, ora finalmente anche l'ex-eroe di Mani Pulite, Antonio di Pietro si accorge che la P2 in Italia non e' mai morta. D'altronde quando la realta' e' talmente evidente non la si puo' negare.
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Intervista ad Antonio di Pietro
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«È un film già visto». Se lo dice Antonio Di Pietro, ex magistrato di punta della stagione di Tangentopoli, la frase fa un certo effetto. Soprattutto perché si riferisce al terremoto Bancopoli, come qualcuno l’ha già definito. «Per me è una nuova Tangentopoli».Vado a trovarlo nel suo ufficio di Milano: il palazzo di Giustizia è ben lontano da questa traversa di Buenos Aires e la gente che sta sotto la sua finestra è per lo shopping natalizio: come sono lontani i giorni dell’euforia per Tonino. Ha la scrivania piena di giornali e di articoli ritagliati.
Dodici anni fa era lei che faceva scrivere i giornali, con i suoi arresti e i suoi interrogatori.
«È vero. But .... "
The interrupt right away because I have a question in my mind for a while '. Even today we see the leaks. Today as yesterday. And, today as yesterday, for me the leaks coming from the Palace of Justice. Maybe I'm wrong, but I remain of the view that judges play a side with journalists.
"The magistrates, oh God ... If I say no generalization is not true that we passed the news to journalists or to pass the time. Then, if there is any magistrate that he does not rule it out, but is not a method. Indeed, some leaks annoy us and are a barrier for the investigation. To return to Tangentopoli, I say that some of the things that come out on giornali, noi neanche le sapevamo».
Posso conservare i miei dubbi? Qualche volta, fare uscire certe cose era importante anche per voi: mandavate messaggi.
«No. Per quel che mi riguardava, proprio per evitare fughe di notizie, finito l’interrogatorio facevo subito partire la polizia giudiziaria per ulteriori attività investigative. Lo facevo perché temevo certi articoli di giornale il giorno dopo».
E allora chi dà le notizie ai giornalisti?
«Molti avvocati, per esempio: fa parte della strategia difensiva divulgare certe informazioni. Ma chiunque può farlo».
Anche oggi come allora, i giornali sono lì con la bava alla bocca, con titoli in effect not to be found neither in nor in the statements. Any reference to Calderoli and D'Alema is obviously wanted.
"But newspapers have a common line: everyone says something different. Every newspaper, if one pays attention, has an interest in pulling the same act, who to some other people, watching the news from above rather than below. In fact, to get a full-blown I read all the newspapers and clipping articles and news published by the Journal alone unit or from the Republic or the shipper. I repeat: every newspaper says things that obviously could be useful to the line of the publisher. "
Before you said that newspapers have an interest in "select" the news. He used the magic word: interesting. Have you escaped?
"No, I did that on purpose. Every newspaper editor responds to a logic: it mixes the real with the likely to pull it toward you. The rest she wrote in the piece of wide boys (of Peter refers to my article "The game of scoundrels. The amnesia of the newspapers, the ping pong between tobacco and Mazzotta and the silence on Geronzi: all the tricks of the game" editor's note published last Thursday). I agree in some respects. "
Newspapers are part of the game?
I do not know. They have a role, yes. They have their own interest that news comes out with a cut or another. " I
Di Pietro: It can be explicit?
"Two examples: do not spend forty-eight hours from Fazio resignation is received by the Pope and no one who wonders if there is a clear political message behind this visit. He noticed that? But I make him another, for example. Now they waste pages and pages on the arrest of Fiorani: why counter did not read pages on the indictment against Fiorani Geronzi which is worth a hundred? It's a serious precautionary arrest or indictment. I'll tell you: it is the most serious indictment. "
Geronzi is a shareholder of the Corriere della Sera, Fiorani not. That's why there are no page ... More: Fiorani is guilty of daring to touch the shrine of Via Solferino. Who is Fiorani, in your opinion?
"You want to know if he's guilty? I do not know, I do, however, these considerations: the newspapers, it seems that Fiorani, Gnutti, Consort of the rotten apples are a healthy, they want to believe that only the parvenu, the wide boys of the neighborhood. This thing does not convince me, you know? They are not the bad apples of a sound system. Are or were the weak links in a chain strong. For me, Fiorani, Gnutti's, the Consort has been dumped. "
By whom?
"From a P2 that holds the real power, real power economic, financial. "
names?
"If you do not have the evidence, we can not do but you can imagine. Anyway, some of these names are the same that were already there before. "
Vox populi: Dear Di Pietro, have done so much mess but in the end nothing has changed ... Tonino does not respond, makes a face.
"This time it's worse: after Tangentopoli piduista cross that magma has changed the modus operandi to avoid being taken. I say to dipietrese: runs but does not touch. "
So do not you take?
"No, do not take them. Again, as then hang up the investigation, because the magma piduista cross the block leaving the weak links in the network. "
I Fiorani, the Consort and so on?
"Sure. Among other things, I believe that many of these alleged facts could not find an outlet in the final sentences, because the methods used could not be per se illegal. In my day it was easier because I found them with a knapsack full of bribes. Today, bribes have changed its face, is the advice, actions, arbitrations. For this reason, some of the objections may be more difficult to prove a criminal offense. "
Gianpiero Fiorani Mario is the Church of the situation?
"Well ... I would say that Mario Church has put more than two days to speak, these are already talking. But apart from that, no, I would not say that they are comparable. "
Fiorani as Gardini?
"Gardini was a real product, had chemistry. Fiorani and the other dealing with paper, shares, bonds. Gardini could say the chemical me. Gardini despise politicians so much that they bought. Fiorani and others enjoy being with in politics, they bow to politics to enter the parlor. "
Gardini also wanted to enter the parlor.
"And in fact when he got too close to the parlor, they've unleashed upon the iradiddio. Today it happened the same. "
is an operation that has a director, then?
"I told you before: which is the magma piduista out Fiorani, the Consort, the Ricucci, the Fazio."
Fazio made illegal?
I do not know, may not have committed but had to immediately resign on moral grounds. "
Because the judiciary is unable to eradicate that magma?
"Why is magma that generates itself. Thanks to politics, finance, to newspapers, salons. "
If politicians are evil because she has left the judiciary to make policy?
"No, politicians and the policy are not evil. I said that some politicians are pawns of the magma piduista. And I've left the judiciary to better defend myself without causing embarrassment. "
How is the camp of those who defend Spouse?
"If the allegations were true we would be facing the transformation of co-operative spirit, because - I repeat, if the allegations were true pm - there would be no fallout for the system in favor of shareholders, but would only be practicable for the seizure of power. That in itself is not a crime. "
So what?
"It is morally unacceptable."
And she stays with this alliance?
"Do not vede che fanno di tutto per tenermi fuori? Perché secondo voi? Io però non mollo. Rientrare in magistratura? No, ormai ho fatto una scelta e non torno indietro».
La sinistra non è stata toccata da Tangentopoli: ora si può dire?
«Ma non è vero. Ci sono persone riconducibili alla sinistra che sono state condannate. A parte questo, va detto che la sinistra aveva un metodo diverso perché beneficiava non di tangenti ma di quote di prebende. Aveva un metodo spesso penalmente irrilevante. Oggi però non è più così, se fossero vere le accuse della magistratura. Sono passati anche loro tra i top manager del capitalismo distorto, non era così che la pensava il vecchio Pci».
La magistratura si è inserita nel vuoto della politica: condivide questa analisi?
«Sì. Però la responsabilità è della politica mica dei magistrati che stanno facendo il loro dovere».
Eppure nessuno mi toglie dalla testa che anche questa seconda Tangentopoli ha una regia.«Certo, ma la regia non è dei magistrati…».
[Data pubblicazione: 24/12/2005]
